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biden and republican candidate paul ryan that will potentially add more fuel to a contentious political environment. from what happened and what is next, let's bring in nbc bay area's political analyst larry gerston. the question is people say the debates don't matter. too much emphasis. i think i disagree. i think you disagree. >> people who say they don't matter are the ones who say we lost. of course they matter. yes they matter. an estimated 70 million people watch the first debate. that's a lot of eyes watching a debate. it's hard to imagine for many it was their first introduction to especially mitt romney, who they haven't paid attention to. all this comes weeks, less than a month now, less than a month now, the clock is ticking before we have that next election. people are starting to pay attention to what some of us are doing for months and this is the time to get serious. >> we forget that sometimes -- sometimes we forget that they are together. that is the first time they shook hands in five years, right? >> yeah. >> so a lot of folks saying that mitt romney did better than the president
biden and republican candidate paul ryan that will potentially add more fuel to a contentious political environment. from what happened and what is next, let's bring in nbc bay area's political analyst larry gerston. the question is people say the debates don't matter. too much emphasis. i think i disagree. i think you disagree. >> people who say they don't matter are the ones who say we lost. of course they matter. yes they matter. an estimated 70 million people watch the first debate....
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they will live in an urban environment. it is already happening in asia and south america where there is a migration toward the great cities of the world. that will bring more and more congestion into those cities. as an industry, as a company, we can view this as a challenging in that congestion is going to increase. at the same time, or on the other hand, you will have many other developments. we know we are all connected to date. we know sustainability is not just a term people use. people believe in it and the environmental challenges that come with that means that as a company, as a city and a country we have to work together to find the solutions to this. as we look into the future, we could say that the current model of the car industry needs to change. at the same time, we believe that individual mobility is what people desire. that does not mean -- that means they will use the car in a different way. here in san francisco, statistics are always something -- potentially, there are over 500,000 people looking for 450
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i don't want to kill jobs in this environment. let me make one more point -- >> jim: let's let him answer the tacks thing for a moment. >> okay. >> well, we have had -- >> jim: about the idea in order to reduce the deficit, there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. >> governor romney has ruled out revenue -- [overlapping dialogue] >> the revenue i get is by more people working, getting higher pay, paying more taxes. that's how we get growth and how we balance the budget. but the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, you will never get there. you never balance the budget by raising taxes. spain -- spain spends 42% of their total commo government. >> jim: okay. >> we are spenning 42% of our economy on government. i don't wawant to go down the ph to spain. i want to go down the path of growth that puts americans to work with more money coming in because they are working. >> jim: but, mr. president, you are saying, in order to get the job done, it has to be balanced -- >> if we are serious, we have to take a
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he would have to over collateralize a loan by 150% under the current regulatory environment. i want him to be able to grow his business. it's a classic example of regulation killing jobs. we need to make sure we have the proper amount of legislation but not overregulation. my commercials talk about reducing spending, and powering our work force for training for jobs available and developing a comprehensive energy policy to put our people back to work, energy independence to protect our environment. >> 30 seconds to rebut. >> you have been running some of the most deceitful attack at the state has ever seen. don't try to pretend that has not been what's happening in that race. when your campaign was asked why you don't start talking about the issues, your campaign manager said it would be a senseless exercise. that's right. for linda mcmahon talking at the issues of be a senseless exercise. the only ads she can run are against me and my family. by pathe is different. -- my path is different. that's what in the final four weeks my campaign will be about. >> it's time now with o
he would have to over collateralize a loan by 150% under the current regulatory environment. i want him to be able to grow his business. it's a classic example of regulation killing jobs. we need to make sure we have the proper amount of legislation but not overregulation. my commercials talk about reducing spending, and powering our work force for training for jobs available and developing a comprehensive energy policy to put our people back to work, energy independence to protect our...
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fit is neutral environment. maybe maybe not. right now we got momentum. boy the way both cook, two of washington premier political pundits just upgraded us. they acknowledged that we have some momentum. they are saying it may be between zero seats and ten seats, but they acknowledged that we have more races in play. how do you define victory forc yourself this cycle will it be if you win ten seats or will it be if you retake the chamber? >> i define victory by simply winning. and my job as chairman of the dccc to win as many as we can in the environment we are competing in. will not get involved in. it is it single digits, is it majority? my job is to just put as many in play as we can. exploit our opponent's weaknesses, cap capitalize on the strength. i tell you, we're in a heck of a lot better position now, 30 days out, than we were a year and a half ago when we began this campaign. >> congressman, we have presidential debate this week. i think a lot of analysts thought that governor romney had a strong performance. how do you think president obama's p
fit is neutral environment. maybe maybe not. right now we got momentum. boy the way both cook, two of washington premier political pundits just upgraded us. they acknowledged that we have some momentum. they are saying it may be between zero seats and ten seats, but they acknowledged that we have more races in play. how do you define victory forc yourself this cycle will it be if you win ten seats or will it be if you retake the chamber? >> i define victory by simply winning. and my job...
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it is a much more hospitable environment for democrats. no. 2, they are field tested and battle ready. they know is out there. they have been working their districts very hard. they're connecting with their voters. virtually all of our front-line incumbents are much -- are a much better shape in the polls than the republican incumbents, which is barely holding on with their fingernails are now. in 2012, we are in better shape than we were in 2010. and in 2012, the republicans are where we were in 2010. but let's say the democrats do take back the house. new democrats automatically but nancy pelosi back in the speakership? >> i hope so, but that is a decision we are not focused on and alfred nancy pelosi knows that. she is focused relentlessly -- and nancy pelosi knows that. she is focus relentlessly on the next 30 days. i occupied one of the narrowest lanes in washington. if i look too far down the lane or looked my left or right, i am distracted. i will be focused on the next 30 days and those 25 seats. >> if you guys when the house, you
it is a much more hospitable environment for democrats. no. 2, they are field tested and battle ready. they know is out there. they have been working their districts very hard. they're connecting with their voters. virtually all of our front-line incumbents are much -- are a much better shape in the polls than the republican incumbents, which is barely holding on with their fingernails are now. in 2012, we are in better shape than we were in 2010. and in 2012, the republicans are where we were...
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apple are the most profitable retile environments by square foot on the planet. it is that kind, the cliche is thinking outside of the box. i don't want to say that. it is not just outside the box. go to some other field, go to some other field and discipline and see how you can trigger a new association in your head that makes you approach the problem you're working on in a new way. >> host: platforms. >> guest: one great thing, this is a kind of perfect connector to future perfect. this is the way in which the books are deeply connected to each other. one thing that we have seen with technology platforms, the internet, the web, things like facebook and twitter, they have this extraordinary ability when they're done right to allow for all sorts of inno vigs on top of that platform that the creators never dreamed of. so you create your platform. you say i will set up a social networking service and it will behave in this way. then you open it up to other people who can come and build on top of that platform. when they end up doing is, if you set up the system rig
apple are the most profitable retile environments by square foot on the planet. it is that kind, the cliche is thinking outside of the box. i don't want to say that. it is not just outside the box. go to some other field, go to some other field and discipline and see how you can trigger a new association in your head that makes you approach the problem you're working on in a new way. >> host: platforms. >> guest: one great thing, this is a kind of perfect connector to future...
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libya when they did because he showed them how dangerous and volatile and unpredictable the entire environment in libya was with at least 13 security incidents before september 11, backing up his case. as for his testimony this week, former u.s. ambassador to the u.n., john bolton, toll us today, he happenings the state department needs to listen and learn quickly. >> the state department should not wait for the conclusion of its own administrative review board, which won't report for 60 days, there ought to be an ongoing process to try to enhance the security of diplomatic and other official personnel in the middle-east and elsewhere. >> reporter: at the house oversight hearing, we will hear from sharl eep lamb, the deputy assistant secretary for programs at the bureau of diplomatic security and eric nordstrom, a regional security officer for the state department. >> shannon: thank you very much. some controversial anti-jihad ads in some anti-muslim will go up in the d.c. metro system this weekend, despite concerns about possible violent retailiation. a judge has ruled that the ads have to be
libya when they did because he showed them how dangerous and volatile and unpredictable the entire environment in libya was with at least 13 security incidents before september 11, backing up his case. as for his testimony this week, former u.s. ambassador to the u.n., john bolton, toll us today, he happenings the state department needs to listen and learn quickly. >> the state department should not wait for the conclusion of its own administrative review board, which won't report for 60...
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technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... ...protect water - through conservation and self-contained recycling systems... ... and protect land - by reducing our footprint and respecting wildlife. america's natural gas... domestic, abundant, clean energy to power our lives... that's smarter power today. ♪ gerri: well, despite the rise in stock markets, small investors are pulling their money at stocks. since march a 2009 u.s. stock mutual funds have had net withdrawals of $200 billion while bond funds have seen an inflow of a trillion. the percentage of american families to own stocks now or stock funds dropping to 46% in 2011 from 53% a decade prior, so where exactly are investors putting their money and should you follow suit? ceo of demint financial services. always great to have you on the show. you cannot get away. you cannot get away from the idea that small investors have simply lost faith in the stock market. why do
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you talk about the helmet and all things are going to be able it to sforespond to the environment. >> reporter: that's a big question, too. they have designed his suit and the balloon and the capsule to withstand all this. we're going to show you where the balloon is going to be launched. our photo journalist mike love and i pivot over to the field over here. this is where the balloon will be launched. the balloon is 55 stories high to pull him up to the edge of space. the plan is once he steps off and starting the free fall, the balloon and capsule will fall back to earth on their own and retreat. the plan is to preserve the two for history, and hopefully that will happen and all can be preserved. it's going to be very exciting. it will take about 20 minutes total, so we'll see. >> you are poised to witness it all. thanks so much, brian todd, keep us posted. this might now happen on tuesday pending weather. >>> some military wives knew this would get your attention. going topless, but there's a series cause behind what they're doing. ♪ [ male announcer ] its lightweight constructio
you talk about the helmet and all things are going to be able it to sforespond to the environment. >> reporter: that's a big question, too. they have designed his suit and the balloon and the capsule to withstand all this. we're going to show you where the balloon is going to be launched. our photo journalist mike love and i pivot over to the field over here. this is where the balloon will be launched. the balloon is 55 stories high to pull him up to the edge of space. the plan is once he...
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book that should be must read for anyone who cares about human rights or who cares about the political environment and the foreign policy concerns that relate to north korea. as a general rule, u.s. north korea policy follows a very similar and repetitive pattern. the provocations by the regime, missile launches, underground nuclear test or the occasional thinking of south korean boat. they are followed by threats of sanction by the international community. a lot of hand wringing. as with the child, the province of better behavior whereupon the international community comes back and provides more aid to the regime. in many respects continuing to prop up the regime. and of course, the aid that is received almost never reaches the people for whom it is delawares end. it is sei phoned off by the military. sold on the black market for hard current sei. this races several questions. i want to plant a few seeds we can come back to. four particular areas i think are worth discussing and thinking about. one is the effect, if any, of sanctions monetary sanctions on a regime like this? well, we all remember
book that should be must read for anyone who cares about human rights or who cares about the political environment and the foreign policy concerns that relate to north korea. as a general rule, u.s. north korea policy follows a very similar and repetitive pattern. the provocations by the regime, missile launches, underground nuclear test or the occasional thinking of south korean boat. they are followed by threats of sanction by the international community. a lot of hand wringing. as with the...
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that's progress with the environment. we are committed to the environment. i take my children hiking and fishing, walking in the woods, in the wilderness. believe me, we have a commit to preserving the environment. you bring up the environment, you can't help but think about the environmental policy of the governor of massachusetts. he talks about being an environmentalist. let me tell you about his environmental policy. the boston harbor -- the boston harbor, which is the dirtiest waterway in america, tons of raw sewage go in there each and every day. what has the governor of massachusetts done about that? virtually nothing. and then he has the audacity to go down to new jersey and tell the people of new jersey that he's against ocean dumping. this is the same governor that applied for a license to dump massachusetts sewage waste off the coast of new jersey. who has the environmental record? who has the environmental interest? george bush and i do. >> senator bentsen. >> this late conversion is interesting to me. [laughter] [applause] i must say, when they
that's progress with the environment. we are committed to the environment. i take my children hiking and fishing, walking in the woods, in the wilderness. believe me, we have a commit to preserving the environment. you bring up the environment, you can't help but think about the environmental policy of the governor of massachusetts. he talks about being an environmentalist. let me tell you about his environmental policy. the boston harbor -- the boston harbor, which is the dirtiest waterway in...
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it's hard to see opportunity in today's challenging environment. unless you have the right perspective. bny mellon wealth management has the vision and experience to look beyond the obvious. we'll uncover opportunities, find hidden risk, and make success a reality. bny mellon wealth management extra curricular activities help provide a sense of identity and a path to success. joining the soccer team. getting help with math. going to prom. i want to learn to swim. it's hard to feel normal, when you can't do the normal things. to help, sleep train is collecting donations for the extra activities that, for most kids, are a normal part of growing up. not everyone can be a foster parent... but anyone can help a foster child. >>. >> heather: an unmanned privately built spacecraft scheduled for the first launch to the international space station tonight. it's a milestone mission to restore nasa's built to travel back and forth to the space station. nearly two dozen people were arrested during an occupy protest in san francisco. a march turned violent as t
it's hard to see opportunity in today's challenging environment. unless you have the right perspective. bny mellon wealth management has the vision and experience to look beyond the obvious. we'll uncover opportunities, find hidden risk, and make success a reality. bny mellon wealth management extra curricular activities help provide a sense of identity and a path to success. joining the soccer team. getting help with math. going to prom. i want to learn to swim. it's hard to feel normal, when...
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it's hard to see opportunity in today's challenging environment. unless you have the right perspective. bny mellon wealth management has the vision and experience to look beyond the obvious. we'll uncover opportunities, find hidden risk, and make success a reality. bny mellon wealth management >>. >> heather: an unmanned privately built spacecraft scheduled for the first launch to the international space station tonight. it's a milestone mission to restore nasa's built to travel back and forth to the space station. nearly two dozen people were arrested during an occupy protest in san francisco. a march turned violent as they allegedly through flares and rocks at police. a train colliding with a semi truck loaded with cars in southern california. with more than 200 passengers on board, crews are on the scene mopping up diesel fuel. three people suffered minor injuries. >> gregg: well, an october scare could be coming for the stock market, if you look at history. historically it's been a tough market for wall street. bubbles bursting, who can forget
it's hard to see opportunity in today's challenging environment. unless you have the right perspective. bny mellon wealth management has the vision and experience to look beyond the obvious. we'll uncover opportunities, find hidden risk, and make success a reality. bny mellon wealth management >>. >> heather: an unmanned privately built spacecraft scheduled for the first launch to the international space station tonight. it's a milestone mission to restore nasa's built to travel...
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healthcare and more importantly, when they asked the question about what would you do to change the environment in the cooperation, absence thereof in washington, he literally talked about how he did it and with 70% of the people being democrats who have the job. >> okay. is this -- what are the conservatives doing about this and this is mitt romney's move to the middle? >> they will grit their teeth and appreciate it as long as he's moving upwards in the polls. we don't know if he's going to get a bounce at all from the debate. we'll see in a couple of days. >> and this is -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> win, baby, win, baby. >> this is the new mitt romney and the win, baby, win. it's the al davis philosophy. just win, davis. >> no matter what, i believe he gets a bump, and i believe that bump will come from the crisp nature of his responses. he sounded like the common man. he did not sound like bain capital exploiting everyone who is part of a everyone in% for the 3%. he sounded like the guy from the streets. he sounded like the guy that i walked by almost every day working on the job on the s
healthcare and more importantly, when they asked the question about what would you do to change the environment in the cooperation, absence thereof in washington, he literally talked about how he did it and with 70% of the people being democrats who have the job. >> okay. is this -- what are the conservatives doing about this and this is mitt romney's move to the middle? >> they will grit their teeth and appreciate it as long as he's moving upwards in the polls. we don't know if...
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health care and more importantly, when they asked the question about what would you do to change the environment in the corporation, in washington. he literally talked about how he did it in massachusetts with 70% of the people being democrats who had the job. >> what do the conservatives do and this is mitt romney's move to the middle? >> they will grint their teeth and appreciate it as long as he is moving upward in the polls. we haven't seen if he is going to get bounce at all. >> theyit's the al davis philosophy, just win baby. believe he gets the bump. i believe the bump will come from the crisp nature of his responses. he sounded like the common man. he didn't sound like bane capital exploiting everybody who was part of a 97% for the 3%. he sounded like the guy from the streets. he sounded like the guy that i walk by almost everyday working on a job on the city payroll. >> conservatives want him to go at obama, to express anger and frustration. that's a lot what he did. it's amazing. i never thought i would hear willie brown's people say that. i would grab the segment and turn it in to a c
health care and more importantly, when they asked the question about what would you do to change the environment in the corporation, in washington. he literally talked about how he did it in massachusetts with 70% of the people being democrats who had the job. >> what do the conservatives do and this is mitt romney's move to the middle? >> they will grint their teeth and appreciate it as long as he is moving upward in the polls. we haven't seen if he is going to get bounce at all....
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religion and christianity in particular in progressive politics around helping the poor or preserving the environment. the entire movement emerging that is challenging the irs, that is defying the ban on political endorsement is a conservative movement. >> those behind the campaign are already daring the irs on to sue them. here's what the laws ths, a tax-exempt religious organization is a legal entity that did not participate in or sbemp in any political campaign on behalf of any candidate for public office. so has any church or any one faced a penalty as a result? >> there are very occasional penalties. really it seems like a handful every year, but there's not a wide number by any stretch. what you say is exactly right. this is an attempt by a conservative networks of pastors and lawyers to really challenge this law. the law dates back to 1954. it's been on the books now for over 60 years, and what they want to do is to get a church penalized so they can challenge the law and take this to court and attempt to get this ban overturned. we'll see if it works. >> so i guess is the interpretation as to
religion and christianity in particular in progressive politics around helping the poor or preserving the environment. the entire movement emerging that is challenging the irs, that is defying the ban on political endorsement is a conservative movement. >> those behind the campaign are already daring the irs on to sue them. here's what the laws ths, a tax-exempt religious organization is a legal entity that did not participate in or sbemp in any political campaign on behalf of any...
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>> well, i am scared because you go up to 120,000 feet, which is a really hostile environment, and no matter how much you have prepared yourself, you never know how it turns out until you do it for real. >> wow. that is a lot of nerve. he is right. baumgartner is scheduled to jump on tuesday, and he will be up 23 miles in the air when he first jumped and will reach at least 690 miles per hour on the way down. that is remarkable. we wish him luck. >>> today 1,000 pastors plan on getting political, and that could cost them their tax exempt status. in fact, they actually hope it does. we'll explain. >> i encourage you -- 100% greek. 100% mmm... ♪ oh wow, that is mmm... ♪ in fact it's so mmm you might not believe it's a hundred calories. well ok then, new yoplait greek 100. it is so good. ♪ >> announcer: meet tom, a proud dad whose online friends all "like" the photos he's posting. oscar likes tom's photos, but he loves the access to tom's personal information. oscar's an identity thief who used tom's personal info to buy new teeth and a new car, and stuck tom with the $57,000 bill.
>> well, i am scared because you go up to 120,000 feet, which is a really hostile environment, and no matter how much you have prepared yourself, you never know how it turns out until you do it for real. >> wow. that is a lot of nerve. he is right. baumgartner is scheduled to jump on tuesday, and he will be up 23 miles in the air when he first jumped and will reach at least 690 miles per hour on the way down. that is remarkable. we wish him luck. >>> today 1,000 pastors...
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that work in washington think tanks that are staffing politicians that exist in the washington media environment. it's not the number one issue for american -- >> real quick, i'm sorry. i watched the debate with 400 people in the room, comedy fans, regular folks, they paid $8 to watch the show, who are the 47%. we came off that tape, a week of it. those people really felt like why wasn't that addressed? they talked about it. we had a discussion. that is us. that is the biggest thing, half of the nation was disregarded by romney and that doesn't come up? wow? >> that was probably the most striking thing from the moderator, the president, mitt romney himself. he might have brought it up. he was on handy the night after it. i hope we see whoever is -- that the people who are moderating the next debates think okay, we have that territory. it's been covered. there's a lot of stuff out there that we need to get the candidates on the record on. it's the opportunity that you never have when you are covering a campaign. i would love to have every candidate and on the record of a variety of issues. peter
that work in washington think tanks that are staffing politicians that exist in the washington media environment. it's not the number one issue for american -- >> real quick, i'm sorry. i watched the debate with 400 people in the room, comedy fans, regular folks, they paid $8 to watch the show, who are the 47%. we came off that tape, a week of it. those people really felt like why wasn't that addressed? they talked about it. we had a discussion. that is us. that is the biggest thing, half...
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technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... ...protect water - through conservation and self-contained recycling systems... ... and protect land - by reducing our footprint and respecting wildlife. america's natural gas... domestic, abundant, clean energy to power our lives... that's smarter power today. . . >> clayton: all right. 50 years ago this week, the world's most famous spy hit the big screen. >> i admire your luck, mr. -- >> bond, james bond. >> my name is bond, james bond. >> when was the last shipment? >> oh, lazzenby, i'm sorry. >> alisyn: and a half century later the most celebrated spy, in the movies he has it better than spies in real life. he was an of james bond, an mi-6, and spy catcher novel, dunn, matthew dunn. >> clayton: matthew, welcome to the show. >> good morning. >> clayton: it looks glamorous, bond over the years. help us separate fact from fiction here, although i think we might prefer the fiction si
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is that it simply is taking into account racial diversity as part of what constitutes a meritorious environment, right? we're already past a place where race is like the thumb on the scale, right? >> i guess i would put it differently. i would say it's not a rigid quota. it can operate as a plus factor, but to some people would be viewed as a thumb on the scale. the brief that was sort of moving to me in looking at the case going -- o the fisher going up to the supreme court, oral arguments are on wednesday, is a brief written by deans of harvard and yale. notice that harvard and yale are where anine of the justices graduated. when we do admissions, we do a holistic merit-based analysis. if we build a diverse class, racial diversity is one component of that excellence. don't take our word for it. go to mckenzie and mckenzie has done amazing consulting work with fortune 500. again, we can have queasiness about whether or not that's a metric, whether it's a social justice issue, engaging in mediation rather than this is good for the bottom line. going back to the 2003 case, the briefs moving to s
is that it simply is taking into account racial diversity as part of what constitutes a meritorious environment, right? we're already past a place where race is like the thumb on the scale, right? >> i guess i would put it differently. i would say it's not a rigid quota. it can operate as a plus factor, but to some people would be viewed as a thumb on the scale. the brief that was sort of moving to me in looking at the case going -- o the fisher going up to the supreme court, oral...